Showing my girlfriend how to use OpenStreetMap
Posted by Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason on 4 July 2009 in English.I went out for a walk with my girlfriend today taking the GPS along. She ended up stealing it and obsessively mapped every footpath we walked on.
So far so good, but once we got home showing her how to post-process the data wasn't as easy.
She downloaded the experimental Windows installer for JOSM which doesn't default to Mercator for some reason, and Yahoo WMS doesn't work either for some reason, with no way to find out why.
Once she was running JOSM she had trouble with its interface, mainly the stickyness of it. She'd create a way neglecting to double click to explicitly end it. Or once the way was created she couldn't select it because you have to switch modes in JOSM (add -> select) to be able to do that.
Of about 3 hours with JOSM probably 1/3 of that was spent fighting the interface. I had very similar problems with my first 12 hours or so of JOSM myself. It's easy for me to edit with it now but getting good at it takes a long time.
"I would never have been able to find out how to use that program if you weren't helping me, it's completely unusable by default".
The only reason *I* know how to use JOSM was that I spent 2-4 hours of those first 12 hours reading online manual and experimenting with it.
Maybe we're just idiots, or maybe JOSM isn't very newbie friendly.
Then I thought I'd show her how to use Potlatch, at first the website yelled at her and once we opened Potlatch it showed giant black holes all over the Yahoo layer:

She clicked around in it and apparently changed something because Potlatch said she had unsaved changes, but with no way to find out what she had changed exactly she ended up closing it out of fear of breaking something.
At least JOSM has a change history dialog.
So there you have it, anecdotal but hardly a unique experience. I wonder how many potential mappers are lost due to various miscellanious unfriendly (mis)features in the editors & website.
Discussion
Comment from drlizau on 4 July 2009 at 23:05
this page belongs (or hides) under the Tips for Aussies section
osm.wiki/Using_JOSM
It's a selection of tips from our mailing list
Should this be expanded and linked to from the main JOSM page?
Comment from Skippern on 4 July 2009 at 23:38
I wonder when I can get my wife to open her eyes for OSM, up to now she have been more yelling at me for "spending too much time on that stupid map", and "you will never make money on that" or other arguments of the same sort.
Comment from pims on 5 July 2009 at 01:41
I agree about josm. It is horrible. Moving with the wrong mous butten!
I use potlatch now almost a jear. Only yesterday I saw the big black blob, trying to add a parking. Escape helpt me out.
The dutch website is unfriendly too. It is even difficult to vind the map .
Comment from Biogenesis_ on 5 July 2009 at 04:08
I like JOSM and haven't had many problems with it. But I also have a bit of AutoCAD and vi experience and chances are that helps a lot.
Just try forcing one hand on the keys and one on the mouse. JOSM is especially fast for tagging ways:
s
hi
re
(as the "add button remains highlighted after clicking it)
na
type name
Once you've done it 20 times your muscle memory makes it a very fast process.
Comment from Richard on 5 July 2009 at 08:28
Yeah, I noticed the big black blobs thing yesterday and will do a patch today - sorry about that. It's basically something I didn't fix properly after changing the default scale to 17 from 14 when you edit a GPX. FWIW zooming in then out again fixes it.
Comment from Richard on 5 July 2009 at 08:29
Oh, and the answer to "I wonder how many potential mappers are lost due to various miscellanious unfriendly (mis)features in the editors & website" is lots, obviously, but also "patches welcome".
Comment from smsm1 on 5 July 2009 at 10:26
Do you know that JOSM has a modeless option, so that it works more like Potlatch? I've never managed to be able to use it myself because I'm so used to the default mode.
Comment from Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason on 5 July 2009 at 11:15
smsm1: Yeah, we tried the Potlatch emulation mode briefly too.
Comment from awesm on 5 July 2009 at 11:50
+1 Ævar. I want the power of JOSM, but every time I open it, I am filled with resentment that I *need* to figure so much out. I know I could sit down and study it, but should I really have to? My conscience tells my brain not to play along.
Comment from uldics on 5 July 2009 at 16:47
I use Merkaartor and it just works. Out of the box.
Comment from Antwelm on 14 July 2009 at 01:23
I'm pretty tech-savy, but I swore to Potlach for along time, until my lill-bro got involved and started massive linting of my work using JOSM.
I tried both JOSM and Merkaartor, but didn't get the hang of it at all until a sit-down/instruction hour with him.
So, yes.. Potlach is intuitive, JOSM is definately not.